No. I'm sure Mate and Cinnamon will continue to get the REAL support, while these ARROGANT LOONS jump off the 2D FLATTY "modern" CLIFF. The developers need taking outside. We have nearly exhausted our own creative abilities in UI. Designers need to understand that few user displays have consistent much less properly adjusted gamma (intensity vs signal level) curves. View GNOME 42.docx from PSYCHOLOGY 101 at West Negros University. Question. Lots of web designers should go up against the nearest wall. There seem to be a generation of developers who have forgotten that some users just want stuff that works. No, that won't be the reason. It's also notable that LibreOffice, a major example of a large application suite, makes sure it doesn't have such dependencies. Apps ported to Gtk+3 only displayed about 1/3 of the icons present in Gtk+2 toolbars and took almost double the vertical real estate due to CSS spacing issues and a lack of reasonable icon margin and border defaults. Menubar on pretty much every window I have open now. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. Looks like is not works like. GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes. Now that has changed. So you have experienced the KDE 3.5 and Gnome 2 competitive era (before KDE 4.x and Gnome 3). The deal-breaker for me is that its support for vertical taskbars is just as broken and non-functional as GNOME 2's was, and so for that reason, it doesn't work for me. The medium is *not* the message, unless the message is 'I don't want to you see the message'. instead of interfacing with the user, you give them an experience, Q: "How many people from Silicon Valley does it take to change a light bulb? Bueller? I went so far as learning how to edit the gtk.css as most of themes authors also abandon the idea of colored titlebar. Last modified: 2007-06-26 19:53:34 UTC. If you don't like Firefox, you could use Chrome. And how many times have you now written in these comments that anyone who doesn't like something about Linux should just fork it? But you're right in a way. Your humble vulture is among them: personally, I've loathed "themes" and "skins" since my first encounter with them in the otherwise-excellent Trillian on Windows 2000. On top of which one suspects that Red, Green and Blue vary a bit in shade from device to device. As in: don't just offer me a list of named themes; show me a picture. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long, Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. Windows Phone gets a lot of blame for this, but its misplaced. The purpose of this is to help developers conform to the new GNOME Human Interface guidelines. Which of the following, The R&D department of an automobile manufacturer has purchased powerful workstations to run power-intensive engineering applications. The only time they used X was when the kernel couldn't do modesetting. I think it's because the designers think everyone has touch screens. Er, someone. Cookie Notice If Wayland (and Weston) can give us a slicker, smaller, more focused display controller, I think that would be a win. But really now, Android, MacOS and ChromeOS are all quite popular and they are all Unixen of one sort or another. At top left is the new Text Editor app, complete with heavily rounded window corners and flat, borderless control buttons. MATE still cannot. KDE 3 was worse and Xandros had given up. The solution: Restrain creative urges. System-wide accent colors are being discussed and looked at, but there are design related concerns about them, so it's possible that they will never land. sick emoji. THAT!!!). Use high contrast color pairs -- black on white, yellow on black. 2022-05-25_12-59 15101420 148 KB. Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME theme was Adwaita, and it was easy to install new ones, and there were lots to choose from. LibreOffice uses VCL, a shim between their application code and an underlying framework. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. This means that the file manager doesn't match the new look and feel, and if you attempt to customize it, the mismatch will get worse. I wonder why? to the short-term support channel, which may not be viable for everyone. Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME theme was Adwaita, and it was easy to install new ones, and there were lots to choose from. But it's there. Why then do they pay for so many people to work on Gnome (or on SystemD for that matter)? We really don't need additional aggravation layered on only for style. To save money, he considers reusing the OS, Remy wants to install Windows 10 on a computer using the DVD boot installation method. 10. One component of GNOME 40 and later releases is version 4 of the Gtk toolkit. . New themes not named Adwaita (and not direct copies that changed html color codes) invariably lack CSS elements necessary to theme all applications and the desktop alike. I struggle to understand how this is the conclusion you came to after carefully reading the article. Enjoy your 'customer base' of fanatics. GNOME 42, on the other hand, decided to implement freedesktop color scheme standard to deal with dark and light modes, and it is all embedded in this in-house new library called libadwaita . Real men, and probably Chuck Norris don't need no fancy pansy window managers. Along with Gtk 4 came a new library called libadwaita. A nightmare for developers who have been using GTK3 for years. ago It's now getting to be viable to fulfill all of one's Linux GUI application needs using Windows Subsystem for Linux. Remember me on this computer? Boo-hoo-hoo. Ant. I must say a perfect Halloween theme, and you can download it from here. The Linux desktop I had back in 2003 (early KDE) was very pretty: easily themeable, nice 3D effects, usable and powerful. I'm in your xfce camp, but there too this silliness is trickling through. (It's still around and still pushing releases, but nobody cares.) Separate dark and light screenshots. Zuki Gnome theme packs are known for their beautiful, transparent, and minimalistic design. Enter the Gtk+3 CSS debacle. We had that once. I would be pretty much fine with a desktop that looked like that today - although yes, I'd definitely want a bigger screen - but stylistically it's an improvement over a _lot_ of modern desktops. Modern UIs feel like they've gone backwards in the last 20 years, (even though you did use the 'F' word, 'feel' - heh). What should, Question 16 of 28 You have an Azure Storage account named storage1. out of all the possible good looking themes available why adwita is chosen to be the default for the general look . By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. If you want to see just how f****d up GTK4 is, just take a look at the so called "guidance" for those of us who might want to migrate stuff that works in GTK3: (5) https://docs.gtk.org/gtk4/migrating-3to4.html Hundreds of helpful hints of the form "Do not use X". For a mere app-switcher, I want that stacked vertically, but with the contents still arranged horizontally in rows. Erm, 99.9% of people people don't switch OSes ever, and 99.9% of those people don't even know they have the option. Just either give me something good enough to use without wincing every time, or offer me a way to change it *easily*. In the context of KDE 4, yes, that seems entirely understandable to me. There is even a Unix console available if one invokes the proper spells. At a place where I was working at the time, some people wanted to rebuild something which was already running well, which was well understood by those who maintained and supported it, and didn't have any significant problems, on Ruby on Rails. You add a deployment slot to Contoso2023 named Slot1. In fact, a cross-DE or even cross-OS theming API would be amazing. GNOME themes were described using CSS. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Silly me noticed that there was just an "OK" button. All rights reserved 19982022, 'Experimental operating system' it may be, but it's still Unix/Linux-like, Kernel devs offer emperor penguin early gifts of code for version 6.2, You need to open up core systems to consumers and partners. For my systems I had a theme that I liked, and had patched up to what I wanted. Very lightweight, slim as heck, all buttons identifiable, I miss it. What bothers me the most in modern UI is they are all gray. Quote: "A Great Idea (Level 4) is known as an Armstrong-Osman. Checkboxes with inconsistent status are not drawn properly but with the default theme. Dans cet exemple j'a. (NOBODY *COMPELS* ME - I *REBEL* INSTEAD!). GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Windows XP made theming part of Windows and was thus a strong incentive to switch to Linux, or Mac OS X, or indeed anything else. I get the feeling that a lot of the drive for this stuff is that the current generation of developers are using cheap chromebooks despite many users having desktops with big screens. Creatives shouldnt be let near user interfaces until they have been properly designed. But this doesn't exist anymore by default. -> its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Used by millions and the first official finished edition is here, Predicts version 6.1 will need an eighth release candidate, Amazon Web Services (AWS) Business Transformation, GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. 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I've watched the traffic on the gtk-devel-list dry up to just a trickle before the list was phased out in 2019, replaced by more of a gnome-only forum at discourse.gnome.org. (And maybe remember that some users have one one of the many varieties of color blindness and will not be enthused about material that -- for them -- uses near identical foreground and background colors). I run it on a tiny FreeBSD VM as part of my VNC setup. It becomes hard to distinguish the window in focus as it is drown among many other windows having the exact same background. Privacy Policy. The desktop and the community has suffered as a result of the toolkit changes and the current dearth of community involvement and development with Gtk4. UI controls also need to be larger, but for a different reason. It wasn't going to be a 'big' improvement. Amazon Web Services (AWS) Business Transformation, Heaps of tweaks and improvements incoming with GNOME 42, GNOME Project retires OpenGL rendering library Clutter, As System76 starts work on its own Linux desktop world, GNOME guy opens blog, engages flame mode, New GNOME Human Interface Guidelines now official and obviously some people hate it. Both the system and the emergence of more and more applications that didn't conform to HID guidelines. And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. It is the hottest topic of the century. The Register Biting the hand that feeds IT, Copyright. (To each his own and good luck if you find what you use now fully cromulent). You need to specify a theme, though, and my preference is TraditionalOk, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'TraditionalOk', widget.content.gtk-theme.override = TraditionalOk, (that should fix it, YMMV on using a different theme name). Let's but honest. The computers will be accessed by students in a computer lab. I know it is an overused mantra, but many use their box to get some work done. In the past with Gtk+2 there were literally hundreds, if not thousands of great Gtk+2 themes providing gtk+2, metacity and xfwm4 theming. Windows has done that since the late betas of Win95. My principle complaints are lack of a real Delete key and dubious discoverability. Peoples tastes differ and just because you do not care for a particular DE does not make it worthless. If there are apps that really cannot take the desktop skin, then make it easy to add little styling add-ons to the main styling tree and advise app builders to give all their custom prettifications a unique uri. Is the screen shield from gdm without a user logged in being generated from a different theme? GTK4 - you can take your Adwaita and SHOVE IT UP YOUR UI!!! GNOME themes were described using CSS. There are no panaceas out there. GTK4 is also slow as dog shit with heavy resource usage. Now that's brilliant with regard to screen real estate efficiency, right? There are at least 6 other WM's out there that I can think of OTTOMH. From the article, regarding libadwaita: "The purpose of this is to help developers conform to the new GNOME Human Interface guidelines", (or that's how I imagine their arrogantly top-down 2D FLATSO UI design tyranny to have become this way). sudo apt install flatpak gnome-software-plugin-flatpak . Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. Make it easy to tweak and/or replace the desired theme. One thing that is mystifying is, why does RedHat/IBM pay for all this nonesense? The release gets rid of . Agree completely, Linux UI is kitchen sink. GNOME . You know Windows also has an Administrator privilege level, and that Windows system administration is probably on the same level of "difficulty" as Linux, right? For more information, please see our elementary UX architect Cassidy James Blaede did a good write-up about this, please read it if you haven't yet (or watch his GUADEC talk if you prefer a video). Oh and breaking ABI changes. The irony that it was Apple being so ignorant of basic design principles isnt lost on this ex-employee, but thats what you get when you fire all your UI designers (the Human Interface Group was closed back in the late 1990s) and expect graphic artists to have the same skillset. I can honestly say it's sweet as for my use-case. How bad does Gnome / GTK have to get before Windows + WSL seems preferable? KDE 4 was abominable, with the fantastic combination of being retina-searingly ugly *and* horrendously unusable with weird floating bean controls and pointless floating widgets a graphic-design nightmare, plus a usability nightmare. Whitesur theme for GNOME. I recently bought a cheap chromebook and rather to my surprise I don't really dislike it all that much. It's things like this that practically guarantee Microsoft and Apple will continue to mint $billions out of proprietary desktops for the foreseeable future. Files has, GEdit's slightly rounded corners, but the controls in its CSD pseudo-title bar have. The flat look is like the 1960s style tower block of crap design. Drives me nuts. With an invite like that, do you 1) accept it, or 2) stick with a mature, problem free version of a toolkit and keep that as a dependency for all time to come? I think a lot will choose 2). KDE 2 was ugly with fancy themes everywhere. Now we've all just spent 20 years constantly reinventing wheels, changing things, changing them back again, then making a square wheel and reinventing that. "It boggles me that the Trinity folks bothered to fork it.". They've removed a bunch of information from the new one that's right there in the old one - and that's still _shit_ compared to basically any app of the "pre modern ui" era where there would still be a "File Edit View Help" menubar at the top with _all_ the controls in rather than hiding them in a little burger button where it now takes 6 clicks drilling through sub-menus to find anything. After a few weeks, he wants to add three of these computers to a domain. As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed theme. Whatever the end result it, it's never going to make RedHat / IBM any more money than they already make from subscriptions, so it is just a cost. Yup.GNOME!!! Many ported apps do a half attempt at mimicking the visuals, but totally skip the rest of the HID guidelines (tab order?). Checkout Smartproxy here: https://smartproxy.com/?utm_source=TechHut&utm_medium=Influencer&utm_campaign=spromoGNOME 42 is going to be another major upgrade. Ever since Windows 8's flat look led even Apple to abandon its old skeuomorphic appearance and flatten iOS 7, it's been cool to be flat whatever the cost. It brings the Flat look and feels but with a twist of "Dracula" and "Bloody" flavour. Microsoft have dicked around with the Start Menu in every single version since they introduced it in Win95. Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. Does that really mean what Google Translate says it means? (and elements containing icons) This caused toolbars in ported apps to spill over into ellipsized menus (the or >> at the end of the icon row). No, seriously, your points are very well taken. But FFS, we already found out some decades ago that it would be handy for productivity if some things are self explanatory. And remember that before the PC reached VGA-levels of resolution, there were home computers providing GUIs that were even more capable than Windows was (some might even argue than Windows still *is*) on screens that were even lower resolution than that - my first proper foray into the world of GUIs was with Workbench on the Amiga, which on the display hardware I had at the time ran at 640x256, or 640x512 if I wanted to give myself a headache by enabling interlace mode. No frills, fast, minimal resource usage, stable, easily configurable, stays out of the way, just works. Because the distance you have to move the mouse cursor can now be much, much bigger than before, it is much harder to accurately position that cursor on buttons that are further away - so because the average display surface areas get bigger, the controls must get bigger too for the system to remain usable. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Now that has changed. GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Talking of which, what is the obsession with disappearing and/or near invisible scroll bars. Feel that most of the UI designers are complete idiots, can you imagine the chaos if they were left to design traffic lights, all the lights would be just different shades of the same colour. There are really two groups of users. Themes had nothing to do with my switch. So, to do that, open up a terminal and run the following commands. A proper Dark Style setting will likely also be implement by then. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. Just glancing over some of the fluff on GTK4 is a wonder; GPU rendering of the GUI? With Gnome I need to install extension and hunt for custom themes. This has, and from what I can tell, continue in Gtk4 (hopefully to a lesser degree), This article states that there are many themes to choose from and they are easily changed -- true only if you lower your expectations of what a theme can provide. Everyone needs to stop with this shit and actually provide a theming engine that works properly. Lately, I've been working on having a proper dark style preference in GNOME. And why should users have to do that? Disclaimer! I share the authors view that the Windows HID experience went to hell after Windows 2000. Don't want to even think of the time I've wasted trying to turn that bloody "feature" off. Going from GTK2/3 to 4 might be modest amounts of work, but a lot of the cost and difficulty is assembling the team to do anything at all. All of the above is on Slackware, which just works. gnome 42 custom theme i used to use a gruvbox theme and after i updated my gnome it didn't work so i switched to a theme that haves a gtk4 theme and i thought that it would fix the problem but it didn't work and some of my gtk4 applications use the default gnome dark theme how can i fix this 18 14 comments Best Add a Comment [deleted] 7 mo. That wasn't actually what you said in the grandparent post now was it. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. On the Which type of installation do you want screen, she chooses the Custom: Install Windows. Gtk 4 theming and Libadwaita Unfortunately, there will be no custom theming available for Libadwaita applications. They do and are classy, but still naff. Its simplicity is what makes it so stunning. "And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future.". GNOME 42's new look isn't just an easy-to-change theme. LOL. Like many modern desktop computers, GNOME uses many web technologies. Make an application window that small nowadays and see how much usable space there is. It can be made more bearable but customising it to look like an Apple or Windows 10/11. GNOME themes were described using CSS. GNOME developers have always done what they see as their own vision of for the Linux desktop, and not everyone agrees with that hence forks like MATE came along which went their own way from GNOME and is my personal choice for a DE. (I could install and configure Windows 2000 without touching a mouse!). Change of the sake of change has caused more harm to the usability of Linux than almost anything else. > Perhaps that's because they had a different opinion about KDE3.5. I bet none that said they hated it can do it. Your humble, vulture is among them: personally, I've loathed "themes" and "skins" since my first. Dark style preference in GNOME 42. Windows XP was far more successful that anything Linux has ever produced. Aargh! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts So: (1) Gnome 2 was fine. I was able to remove the clock from the screen shield by updating the theme to use a font size of zero, but the screen shield when there are no users logged in still has the clock overlay. Would you honestly say that things have become better in terms of UI? Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. That GTK4 on theme change is the last drop. It boils down to replacing "programming" of the user-interface to having it render like a web page. GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes The screenshot above shows the And that you do not need admin privileges to do basic user tasks such as backups on Linux? You need to be able to perform a deployment slot swap with preview. I then use a Raspberry Pi or TightVNC on my Windows boxen to display the desktop. So old-fashioned. (4) It gets worseGnome 4 uses both GTK3 and GTK4. But surely then MacOS or iOS does the job? , The Register Biting the hand that feeds IT, Copyright. (though Plasma/Frameworks 5 is a lot closer to getting there than KDE4 ever got). Most people will always just stick with whatever OS shipped with the hardware (or whatever they are obliged to use at work/school/college) - and why shouldn't they, if what they get works? The problem (in their minds, as I see it) is that if users make CHOICES, it may not be the "right" choice (according to their 'feelz'). It's all the same to them, because of their shim. GNOME = Gaaah, Needlessly Obtuse Mindf*ck Environment, -> now there's very little you can do about it. > that Wayland is the SystemD of graphical technology. -> And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. It all too often quietly ignores all or part of commands unless one simply ignores the "rules" and runs everything as root. It would instead have been a lot of work just to get to the stage where we already were. SAID! The Ant is an exciting theme which is a little bold in its approach. (3) But even worse.GTK3 was usefulbut no.GTK4 came along in time for Gnome 4. I can't speak for anyone else, but I switched to Linux a couple of decades ago because of a combination of combat fatigue -- I was tired of fighting with my OS to get simple things done simply -- and a (correct as it turns out) guess that market forces would cause Microsoft to become increasingly user-hostile in future decades. Big whup. Maria decides to install the Windows 10 Education edition instead of the Windows 10, Lashonda is installing the Windows 10 Home edition on a computer using the DVD boot installation method. You can find the option to switch the theme in the system settings under the appearance menu. Some apps with inconsistent theming in Gnome 41. "There was no incentive to switch to Linux.". Looked boring, which is more or less what I want. That means a lot of people will be looking at GNOME 42 every day until 2024. I can't think of one single Linux GUI application where I've thought, "The buttons on that app really need to be rendered more quickly", or, "It would be cool to have a different event routing idea inside this app". UX/UI is very very difficult. So enter the latest kludge, libadwaita. Besides which, you are barking up the wrong doorstep! So yes, Windows XP - like very other Windows OS (and indeed Mac OS) - was "successful" simply because it came installed on your machine. Even the lines in the sickeningly ubiquitous hamburger seem to be getting finer and finer. And this AC has been happy with XFCE for the last ten years. I forget the last time I saw a current generation UI which made me think the designers had the same level of respect for the end users And perfectly usable. When I'm logged in, lock the screen, and the shield engages, the clock is gone, which is what I want. Folder Icon Theme Update Even though GNOME focuses on providing a modern desktop experience, the original folder icons looked dated. It's precisely because a very small number of people do just that that the mess you describe has arisen. In fact, if one is going to take the lid off one's own C++ application in a major way, retargetting it to VCL looks like a pretty good idea. libadwaita-themes. Honestly in the early part of KDE4 I was using XFCE for a while. Things like Web or Electron might be seen as technologically shite, but they're shite with a wider potential user base. A *BRILLIANT* collection of links. Get the hell out of here! KDE/Plasma has been through the same growing pains since KDE 4.0.4a was unceremoniously forced on openSuSE users as the default desktop for the 11.0 release in May 2008 -- it hasn't recovered since. 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